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SH@W Science , Honesty @ Work Posted On:2017-03-14 14:07:11

  A$2500 for a 4 year old machine brand “Amazing Super Health”........ No thats just a rip off.They got them in Asia for about 100AUSD each. And they sold them with completely fake specifications. In fact most of the selling points were fake And its well out of its warranty.

Go for something new covered by a warranty if you can afford it..

 
Di Heap/VibePlus Posted On:2017-03-14 13:11:02

Jenny

You were looking at paying A$2500 for a 4 year old machine brand “Amazing Super Health”. My opinion is that’s a lot of money for a second hand machine.

A brand I recommend is Cardiotech. I’ve met the CEO and I know their machines well. And the reputation of the company, warranty, and backup provided is important. I suggest you talk to one of the sales staff. If you don’t get the answers you need or too much sales talk get back to me.  You might find one of the machines on ebay but they are large to transport and must be carefully.

Take a look at the machines here:

http://www.cardiotech.com.au/vibration-machines

Your choices would be the CV9 which a large but good looking machine well suitable for your needs for therapy and later for training. Also for your husband. The design of this one has a platform (the base that you do the exercise positions on) that is able to be accessed from 3 sided – great for exercise positions. (This is my favourite machine of its type so I’m just a littler biased. I have one in the studio where I work, in Auckland)  http://www.cardiotech.com.au/vibration-machines/cv9

There’s also a machine with side handlebars that would be very stable for therapy and training. It would be suitable for you both. http://www.cardiotech.com.au/vibration-machines/cv12/

There’s a little machine also – Lifeback2. It would get you started at low cost as long as you have a stable chair or rail to hold onto.  This little machine is good but might not meet your training needs.

Note: I am partial to this brand but I don’t get any payment for referring you. If you look at another brand, ask again and I will tell you anything I know.

 
SH@W Science , Honesty @ Work Posted On:2017-03-13 18:25:34

Mariel

Your old injury and plates will not be an issue.

The older Hypervibe unit is fine. And yes it should give some decent results if used properly ( come back on here for that advice after you get your machine )
 

The reason for the Blacklist .... The Owners / Management have done certain things to degrade our trust in them to such a point, we simply cant trust anything they ever say.

 
Mariel Posted On:2017-03-13 10:22:02

Btw, I am in NZ and the reason I am leaning towards the Hypervibe Performance is that I can get a demo model for a good price from Elite Fitness. I undertand the Performance is the older model, but have read its specs and was impressed given its relatively low price compared to the newer Hypervibe models and other brands. Would greatly appreciate your comments on this..

 
Mariel Posted On:2017-03-13 09:43:42

I fractured my tibiae and had metal pins inserted three years ago. Would it be safe to use vibration plates to increase bone strength and density, and later for fitness training. I am in my 60s, moderately overweight, and diabetic.

I was thinking of getting a Hypervibe Performance, but concerned that you put the brand Hypervibe in your Blacklist. Could you elaborate on the reasons for that please. Many thanks.

 
SH@W Science , Honesty @ Work Posted On:2017-03-12 17:10:17

 

Elaine
 Yes you should be able to closely follow the Vibra-Train Standard Safety Program on your new unit.  ( working within the new plate size ) .
 
18- 22 hz should be a comfortable setting to use.
 
You may also like to check out a few of the other poses you can do on pivotal machines you would not have done in the studio ( a similar program I designed years ago ).
 

Read instructions carefully.

 http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/consumer-guide-and-safety-program/lineal-and-pivotal-safety-programs   

 
elaine Posted On:2017-03-12 08:15:32

For the last 10 years I have been going to a Vibratrain studio 3 times a week. For circumstances beyond my control I can no longer go so have bought a second hand (like new, approx 18mths old) Gravity Revolution machine. My question is can I do the same exercises, in the same order and length of time on the Gravity Revolution machine that I was doing at Vibratrain. The squats, both basic and super and the core/ ab exercises I have been doing for 2 mins each, is this okay on the Gravity Revolution machine and what frequency setting would be similar or beneficial for muscle tone.

 
Jenny Posted On:2017-03-11 23:33:32

Hello Di HeapVibePlus, thankyou. I must admit I froze regarding selecting a machine and still havent bought one. Im 55ish a little overweight, concerned about bone density and have a threatening meniscus knee injury that I dont want to worsen or be shaken to pieces on a poor machine. I am interested in a machine that offers muscle assistance, excercise and health benefits for a time poor life. My husband has long term weight issues worse knees and lower back pain and would use it once he realises health or weight loss benefits. We live in Australia if that effects which machines are available. Your guidance is very greatfully recieved. Cost, would save for the right machine or look on eBay for a second hand one.

 
Di Heap/VibePlus Posted On:2017-02-16 10:36:55

Jenny, we can guide you what type of machine, or sometimes what brand, to buy if you tell us more about yourself and what you want to achieve. What is your approximate age, body type (athletic, overweight, obese ), any health considerations or any ability or disability issues? Are you wanting a machine for gentle stimulation/rehab/therapy, simple exercise training, or harder type athletic use? Will any other person be using the machine also? We can impartially guide you to the best type of machine for your needs as we dont sell home machines or make any money from advice given.

 
Jenny Posted On:2017-02-14 16:38:56

Thank you very much for your response. I can see there is no such thing as a bad machine but want to spend money wisely and once. Ive moved my focus to the brand or company recommended on your site. Many thanks, its a confusing journey to navigate and your wisdom is appreciated.

 
SH@W Science , Honesty @ Work Posted On:2017-02-14 08:52:00

  Hello Jenny. We dont usually use actual brand names on the cheaper models, because the companies change the machine itself or give them new names so often to trick the consumer, it would be futile. Instead it is much better to KNOW what TYPE of machine you are buying.

Eg.....  Click on and read carefully our    Machine Review page.   After that you can never be ripped off, know matter how often they change the sticker on the outside.

You will see your machine is a "Low Speed Pivotal." It may be a slightly higher speed Pivotal. But it is not a Premium Speed Pivotal.

Which is not good or bad. It just depends on what you need it for, or how you are going to use it.

Read the article ..... No such thing as a Bad Machine. 

 
Jenny Posted On:2017-02-13 23:25:54

Wish Icould edit my earlier comment.... me again, Ive found the machine has a brand name of Amazing Super Health. Also Im in Australia.

 
Jenny Posted On:2017-02-13 17:53:00

Loving your site and expertise, wish there was a green list of good machines. Im looking to buy a secondhand VIBRO TRAINER, 4 years old was 2,500 AUD. can anyone offer advice please.

 
SH@W Science , Honesty @ Work Posted On:2017-01-24 02:04:33

 Both Pivotal and Lineal create muscle pump. Which creates more blood movement and pressure within the vascular system than the heart. The better the machine, the better the flow.

As a mortician I advise no use of any vibration product until the clot is dissolved. ( usually no more than 4 weeks max with good medication.)
 
Pain in the ass, but safety first. And also shows you why getting a machine of good quality is so important. Never letting the blood settle to create a similar clot will work alongside any ongoing blood thinner meds is a must.

To explain your situation in detail, in a way your Doctor may not. Quite simply your own body weight and gravity has combined to stop the blood circulating in your legs properly. You are about to get a unit to remedy that issue ( why the KN value is so important past 90kg )     

 
Connie Posted On:2017-01-23 19:11:30

Thanks for responding so quickly.  I also asked Gravity HQ and they said that if I was on blood thinners the machine would be perfect.  If I wasnt I should treat it like normal exercise.  That it has no impact and is not shaking my body around.  Reminded me that even walking can shift a clot.  

I believe in their best intentions.  I have asked them for more info.  Is there any way you would see this as true since its a pivotal machine.  I DO NOT want to be unwise.  

Thank you so much for your input.  It is valued. 

 
SH@W Science , Honesty @ Work Posted On:2017-01-23 13:56:55

 Yes. You MUST wait for the blood clot to be broken up and gone.

But the good news is that is unlikely to ever happen again using the machine regularly.

 http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/consumer-guide-and-safety-program/articles-71---80/vibration-therapy-and-dvt

 
Connie Posted On:2017-01-23 13:45:45

Hi again.  Ive been waiting expectantly to get my Gravity Revolution and then got a large blood clot in my saphenous vein.  Ive read that its not smart to use a wbv machine at this point  Do you have input

 
SH@W Science , Honesty @ Work Posted On:2017-01-19 15:15:11

 Hello Michael

Yes. Not only is it a good unit, with a higher KN value than any Power Plate ( imperative for your results not to plateau but also not drop specs under your weight ), it is also backed up by a real company, not some random salesperson.

 
Michael Posted On:2017-01-18 18:09:10

Hi Lloyd. 

I am seriously considering buying a Gravity Revolution here in NZ but only because I cannot buy one of your machines, smiley face.

I am 53 years old and weigh 160kg. About 7 years ago, I trained, in South Africa, for about 8 months with an excellent trainer on a Powerplate and had good initial results in that I lost some weight, built muscle and the body felt really good. I am wondering how the Gravity Revolution will compare, I assume it is a far better machine than the PP.

Any advice will be most welcome.

Cheers, Michael

 
SH@W Science , Honesty @ Work Posted On:2017-01-13 20:25:49

 Well we got attacked hard out this last week. Seems to happen each time we make a certain company angry. ( they are dumb enough to brag about it )

 

But we are up and running again. Comment away..

 
SH@W Science , Honesty @ Work Posted On:2016-12-29 16:44:08

 All good mate. To clarify....

 
(a)  When you try the Hypervibe G17 Pro , imagine a machine that feels about 4 times more powerful, that's the NEW Gravity Revolution.
 
It has some very smooth but powerful settings too, so no issue with the head thing.
 
Note.  Most salespeople get people to stand on a Medium Energy Lineal with locked legs, which is a banned pose ( ok for very weak physio units ) . They are too ignorant to know this of course.

 

Once you get your unit, we will be guiding you and your loved ones all the way mate. From day one and for as long as you need us.   

 
Connie Posted On:2016-12-29 12:01:35

oops NEW Gravity Revolution

 
Connie Posted On:2016-12-29 12:00:51

Hi again Lloyd  smiley face

I must not have asked my question clearly.  The only machine I want at this point is the Gravity Revolution.

Question 1 Would testing a Hypervibe G17 Pro give me a sense for whether or not I would like the new Gravity Revolution.

I would assume so except you said it felt like a heavier lineal machine.  The other machine that is available to test are Power Plates.  I did stand on my Mother in laws older PP once and my back cramped up.  Of course I didnt know how to stand, etc.  

Question 2  Would the new Gravity Revolution shake my head a lot ...A pivotal salesperson told me that lineal machines move your head like crazy and most people find them quite uncomfortable.  He said that yours a in a completely different category and dont have that issue.  I know the new Gravity Revolution is a pivotal but you said it felt like a heavier lineal machine.  

Hope this clarifies... Thanks a zillion....I dont know what Id do without your help.  

Connie

 
SH@W Science , Honesty @ Work Posted On:2016-12-29 10:02:33

 Just follow this guide , so the brand does not matter. ( because some brands have both types of units. And put stickers on anything they can buy from China )

 
So understanding the "types" are all important.
The best position to try all units is a basic squat. ( hold onto handle bar and lower into a semi squat pose , feet about 5 inches apart,  straight ,and flat on the ground.)
 
 
Important : Do not let the salesperson just wind up a machine, especially a Pivotal, to show off. They might hurt you. Also do not let them BS to you.
 

Read this to clarify.....

 http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/consumer-guide-and-safety-program/articles-61---70/no-such-thing-as-a-bad-machine   


 

 

 

 

 
Connie Posted On:2016-12-28 18:27:27

Since there is no lineal machine here that I want since it seems like the DKN is the only option that is decent but not for me because of my weight.  That leaves pivotals and it seems that the new Gravity Revolution is the way to go for the same reason.  Now it seems I need to test something to give me a sense whether I  will like that.  

1.  What type of machine am I looking for...pivotal or linear. i.e.  Would a Hypervibe, PowerPlate or 3GCardio be best.  Id just bit the bullet and order the new Gravity Revolution now except I keep getting told I need to test...smiley face.  

2.  Since Im not testng a specific machine but the type of machine, is the best way to test it to stand on it in one of the poses and make sure it feels okay...

Have a great evening.

 
SH@W Science , Honesty @ Work Posted On:2016-12-28 16:08:13
Connie..
 
Best way to test any machine for you, is run the machine without being on it. Close you eyes , listen to it carefully and put your hand on the platform. Feel its power.
 

Then run the machine at the same level with you on it. It it feels or sounds like it has lost power, you know it is straining and it will not give the best results.

 
Connie Posted On:2016-12-28 11:16:21

 

Lloyd, I so appreciate your input and you calling Gravity Revolution.  I have a message in to them asking regarding cost.  Looks like my next step is to test a Hypervibe and a 3GCardio.  Would the new Gravity Revolution feel more like the 3GCardio. Id love it if you would give me instructions on testing a machine...in this case to see what type I like rather than the specific machine.  

 
SH@W Science , Honesty @ Work Posted On:2016-12-28 10:30:50

 First off.... " .  Would it be profitable to try the Hypervibe just to see how a pivotal feels and the 3GCardio to see how a lineal feels "

YES ....  There is nothing worse than getting a unit and hating he feeling of it. Just make sure you get back to me on instruction on how to test a machine. The sales staff are usually useless.

You are correct, for the most part Pivotal's are not so effected by body weight as long as the quality is OK. And you don't have to run them on full speed to get results. It is 90% all about positioning on the machine .

But yes Pivotal's in general are limiting compared to what I use. But that is another subject really, so I will cut to my straight up opinions on your options. 

(1) Either the CV9 or the Gravity Revolution from SpiceWellness is a good choice. Both big enough surface to do the basics. And they will look after you warranty wise
.

 (2) Considering your weight, a good choice would be the new Gravity Revolution directly from N.Z.. It has the added KN Force in its construction to give the machine the feel of a heavier Lineal unit. ( I have tried it myself. Quite impressive )

 
I just got off the phone to them, and they could ship you one at the end of Jan if you take the shipping costs. As they have no distributer yet. If you are interested in this, I advise you deal with them directly.
   
 
(3) DKN XG10 is the best Lineal you will get that side of the U.S. Mainly because of its steel construction and the companies good rep......but yes with your weight it is pushing the boundaries of the unit.
 
(4) 3G Cardio  Piss weak and very cheap design.
 
(5) Power Plate .... just such a risk. Company and platforms have been so unstable in every way. I only tell people to go there if there really is no other option. Note:  They gift units to teams for marketing purposes. Most units sit in the corner and collect dust or it is used for massages / warmup only.
 

(6) Sorry...... I never retail my unit. Too big and powerful not to be used without supervision.         

 
Connie Posted On:2016-12-28 08:11:29

Im in a pickle . . . the only products sold exercise stores in Minneapolis are Power Plate and 3GCardio.  Even in Chicago which is 9 hours away there seems to be a dearth of products sold and therefore no where to go to try out a machine.  There is a possibility of being able to try a hypervibe that is in a "medical" office and the Power Plate and 3GCardio in a store.  

My options for purchase are

1.  CV9 associated with CardioTech Australia with website cardiotechvibration.com The motor is 400W

2. CV9 from Spice Wellness in Canada where it says that The Canadian CV9 was reengineered to reach a true 28 Hz and has Weight Adjust Sensitivity, everything else is the same as the Australian 22 Hz model.  This makes me a bit nervous. The motor is listed as 900W

3. Gravity Revolution from Spice Wellness in Canada

4.  DKN XG10 from www.dknusa.com

5. Power Plate Commercial models from Minneapolis store

6. 3GCardio from Minneapolis store

Here are my questions

1.  Would the DKN XG10 with KN 3.2 lose its effectiveness since I am very obese . . .275 lbs and short ..and thus make a pivotal better for me

2.  Would it be profitable to try the Hypervibe just to see how a pivotal feels and the 3GCardio to see how a lineal feels

3.  Youve mentioned results on a pivotal machine will plateau.  What might that that look like for me.  Di mentioned that she finds the CV9 suitable for building fitness and strength.  Considering my weight, what might results look like for me 

4.  Does the weight of machine make a difference since I am so overweight Gravity Revolution is 60 Kg in weight compared to the 51.5 kg

5.  Ive read a lot on this site and LOVE it.  But the hold of Power Plate in the US and the recommendation by Mercola and its use by pro athletic teams makes me think that people are getting results from it and perhaps I should go that route.  EEK  

6. Any way to buy a Vibratrain and ship it to me 

Thank you for all your help

 
SH@W Science , Honesty @ Work Posted On:2016-12-27 10:21:46

 

Dear Connie,

Well first off you really need to try before you buy as to the action of the machine. As Pivotal and Lineal feel so different from each other, they are not comparable. Most people love one, hate the other or vice versa.
 
And this is a lifetime investment. So you really want to be sure .
 
Is there anywhere, like a exercise equipment store close to you.
 
PS... Sorry about the restrictions on the typing It is to stop hackers ( we get attacked a bit by agnry scam artists   .
 

Also my comment regarding the DKN XG10 was about someone wanting a copy of my Lineal units, or something close. But there is nothing US based even close. .... The DKN series are the only practical option.      

 
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