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Lloyd Shaw Posted On:2017-12-12 20:26:58

Where are you in N.Z. 

 
Emma Posted On:2017-12-10 19:59:35

Hi, in New Zealand.

No he can't stand unassisted. We do assisted standing exercises.

 

Thanks,

Emma 

 
Lloyd Shaw Posted On:2017-12-04 16:49:43
Emma,
 
Sorry for late reply. 
 
$3000 for a plastic machine from China is a rip off. No matter its use. 
 
A few questions first...
 
(a) Is your Son able to stand by himself. Or is it all seated therapy. 
 
(b) What country are you in .
 
Emma Posted On:2017-11-29 20:09:36

Hi There, my son has cp (spastic diplegia)  we just completed an intensive therapy programme overseas where we used

a power plate as part of it every day. We are looking at purchasing a second hand one for daily use in spasticity maintenance. The therapist has recommended the powerplate however after reading this information I am wondering if there are other options which will cost less. The second hand next generation one we are looking at is $3000 (not purchased through him or his company by the way) can you please let me know your thoughts

Thank you

 
Lloyd Shaw Posted On:2017-11-25 11:44:52

 Researchers have finally tested multiple Vibration Training platforms , loaded, unloaded and over a period of 18 months.

 
Guess what they found. None kept their specs 100% under load. Some worse than others. 
 
Also at least one lost significant performance over time. But it was the one with the most run time. So we have no idea how the others would have been put under the same pressure.  
 
As they state. It basically ruins ALL research done on these machines as it is just too random to know what is effecting what. 
 

 
 
Of course we have been writing about this for nearly 15 years. Calling for these exact kinds of tests to be done. But academics in this industry are "a bit slow" to be polite.  
 
 

 
Lloyd Shaw Posted On:2017-11-25 10:56:23

 Suzanne 

 
Please confirm this is the unit we are discussing. ..
 
If it is, as you can see by its design it a a Lower Energy Lineal unit. 
 
 
Ok units. I think getting a  faulty one is just a risk with any of these cheaper units. 
 
As far as use and results. If you follow a strict enough program, you will see some results. But "discipline" is the key word here. 
 
With our guidance, it seems like a good buy. 
 
Note: I would ignore all literature and programs that come with it. Most probably 99% pure rubbish and full of fluff poses. ( stuff that does bugger all but feels good ) 
 
When you have it, come back on, and we will get you started.   
 
Suzanne Posted On:2017-11-25 09:08:39

Do not want to spend a lot on a vibe plate at this point but interested in a "starter" model. My chiropractor recommended the SDS Whole Body Vibration platform, which he uses at his home. It provides a linear vibration up to 42 hz and gets four stars with 49 comments on Amazon that dont seem like planted reviews, and the complaints seem to be about having been shipped a defective machine which was then promptly replaced. Anybody familiar with this model, pls let me know. 

 
Ted Posted On:2017-11-23 21:44:55
 
Tina Posted On:2017-10-29 14:13:32

Thanks for that just have to find a way to transport to gisborne

 
SH@W Science , Honesty @ Work Posted On:2017-10-29 09:55:55

 Yes good powerful unit.

 
Make sure you don't wind the hell out of it for no reason. Thinking the higher speeds are needed for results. They are not. If that is done, it  should be gradual over a long period of time ( years )
 
Follow our Pivotal program best you can. Use pics and read instructions.

 http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/consumer-guide-and-safety-program/lineal-and-pivotal-safety-programs
 

Note: The company itself is in hiatus. So still a good machine, but I have no idea about its future.

 
Tina Posted On:2017-10-28 08:34:15

Hi

I am looking at a gravity plus 2nd hand machine for sale

Has not been used for 4 years but serviced  a month ago

Want to exercise for half an hour each day doing squats planks etc

Would this be suitable

 
John Weatherly Posted On:2017-10-22 15:47:29
 
SH@W Science , Honesty @ Work Posted On:2017-10-15 12:08:02

 

More good news ?  Well it depends how you look at it.

A vibration-based therapy being trialed in Auckland could help young people with cerebral palsy.

The concept of whole-body vibration training sounds remarkably simple: a person stands on a specially-designed vibration plate, creating a see-saw movement that stimulates a pattern similar to walking.

This is thought to improve communication between the muscles and spine, aiding balance and co-ordination.

The family of Luke Torrens Kelly admitted they were "somewhat sceptical" when he joined a clinical trial of the therapy at Auckland University's Liggins Institute.

"Luke has had many therapies in the past and it is often hard to judge whether or not they have any effect," the 13-year-old's mother, Tracey Torrens, said.

It turned out that the vibration therapy was fun and easy for Luke, who is at the mild end of the spectrum, and caused him to gain 2kg in muscle mass after five months.

Luke was one of 40 people with cerebral palsy, aged 11 to 20, in the trial, which showed vibration therapy increased strength and mobility.

Now the same therapy will be trialled in younger children thanks to a grant of $390,000 over three years from the Jubilee Crippled Children Foundation.

Researchers aim to recruit 40 children aged 5 to 10 years with mild to severe cerebral palsy and general musculoskeletal disability.

They will also investigate the feasibility of using vibration therapy in under-5s at high risk of neuromuscular problems, and the effects of shorter sessions for adolescents.

Jubilee also funded the original research, along with the Sir David Levene Foundation.

"Together, these studies will identify who will benefit the most from vibration therapy and what is the best protocol - frequency and duration - according to their health and age," said study leader and Liggins research fellow Dr Silmara Gusso.

"Our hope is that our research will enable practitioners to develop new physical therapy programmes tailored for individual kids and young adults which incorporate vibration therapy alongside other tools, giving these young people the most benefits possible."

In the original trial, which was the biggest and most rigorous of its kind to date, participants stood on the vibration plate for nine minutes a day, four times a week.

Vibration therapy helped Luke Torrens Kelly gain 2kg in muscle mass after five months. Photo / Supplied
Vibration therapy helped Luke Torrens Kelly gain 2kg in muscle mass after five months. Photo / Supplied

After 20 weeks of training, they showed clear benefits: increased bone and muscle mass, and improved day-to-day functioning and quality of life, with some parents reporting fewer falls, better mood, boosted confidence, and greater manoeuvrability.

Some children walked 30 per cent further in a six-minute walk test - a big difference for them.

The findings, published last year, attracted international attention.

"I had parents from around the world asking for more details, or saying thank you for doing research in this area, which is quite humbling," Gusso said.

Many asked where to buy the special vibration plate, which cost $5000-$6000 and was much different from the standard muscle-toning plates sold at malls.

Waitakere College in West Auckland, one of the high schools involved in the original trial, were now looking at getting one.

Liggins Institute research fellow Dr Silmara Gusso, with one of the special plates used in the trial. Photo / Supplied
Liggins Institute research fellow Dr Silmara Gusso, with one of the special plates used in the trial. Photo / Supplied

"Many of our students in the trial had improved bone density, muscle mass and some impressive improvements in their walking speed, which can make a huge functional difference in their lives as they can better keep up with their peers," said Fleur White, a paediatric physiotherapist at the school.

The research team has since also trialled the therapy in young people with more severe cerebral palsy, and with general musculoskeletal disability, with results due in 2018.

Cerebral palsy, a group of movement disorders, is the most common cause of physical disability in childhood, affecting two in 1000 children.

It's caused by abnormal development or damage to parts of the brain that control movement, balance and posture.

Children with the disorders have reduced muscle and bone mass, and muscles that normally work in complementary action will simultaneously go into spasm, making movement difficult, and leading to muscle wasting over time.

About half of children have a raised risk of bone fractures, partly because their muscles aren't pulling on their bones in the normal way to promote healthy bone development.

Until now, treatments to relieve the condition's effects have been fairly limited: injection of botox, surgery, passive stretching by physiotherapists and injection of bisphosphonates to increase bone density.

 
The information these Children and their Parents really need to know.
 
This is in my opinion nothing short of a scam. Not the technology and idea, but the sales based company behind it.
 
Similar trials have been done where the parents are told after the trial, ( which is always successful, because it is an exact copy of other research already done )  that to continue their children's VT Therapy they MUST purchase a machine worth $5000.
 
Not giving full disclosure on 2 important points that any parent in this situation would want to know.

(1) That free training has been available for ALL people with disabilities at a dedicated VT center in Auckland for 15 years now, and other such places around the country.  With some of the machines especially designed to cater to people with disabilities.
 
And by free, it means free for life. And when possible, we give away similar devices to those in need. To date. 92 units. 
 
Pivotal and Lineal units are utilized. 
 
(2) Other Pivotal brands of machines that are suitable for this therapy, are available here in N.Z.  and Australia and much cheaper. Some are even more suited due to their design. Depending on the stage of the disability.
 
The sales people say they are the only ones capable of building a machine with certain Frequencies  and Amplitudes.....this is simply not true. And has not been true for a good decade. Everyone involved in this technology is well aware of this fact.
 
 
 
Robyn Posted On:2017-10-10 12:45:15

Hi thanks for getting back to me  1200.00 tops

thanks Robyn

 
SH@W Science , Honesty @ Work Posted On:2017-10-05 17:43:27

 Robyn...

Not forgotten you, still looking. Be patient and something good will come up.
 

How much you willing to spend. 

 
Robyn Posted On:2017-10-02 09:51:10

Hi thanks for your response   I live in Hawkes Bay

Regards Robyn

 
SH@W Science , Honesty @ Work Posted On:2017-09-28 18:26:30

 Robyn

 
Am looking on TradeMe for you as to see what is available.
 
Technically most machines can give some results. But quality and other features I can spot can help me find you something good.
 

 
Where in N.Z. are you ?

 
Robyn Posted On:2017-09-27 08:56:50

Hi Im just wanting some advice I am thinking of purchasing a plate vibration machine  I am wanting to use it in conjunction with my other fitness activities which include biking, walking and swimming.  I am a 57 year old woman with no weight issues, so I am really just wanting the vibration machine to help with my circulation and to tone up, I also have low bone density, so hoping that this could also help.  There seems to be alot of these types of machine available at different prices can anyone recommend one for me that is suited for what I want to use it for  I am in New Zealand.

Many thanks Robyn

 
Robyn Posted On:2017-09-27 08:53:06

Hi Im just wanting sime advice I am thinking of purchasing a plate vibration machine  I am wanting to use it in conjunction with my other fitness activities which include biking, walking and swimming.  I am a 57 year old woman with no weight issues, so I am really just wanting the vibration machine to help with my circulation and to tone up.  There seems to be alot of these types of machine available at different prices can anyone recommend one for me that is suited for what I want to use it for

Many thanks Robyn

 
SH@W Science , Honesty @ Work Posted On:2017-09-23 10:30:51

 The 3G Cardio AVT. is a Medium Energy Lineal unit. ( as per the review section ) We don't actually name many brands, and they change sticker / names often. Because there are thousands of simply made up names, an actual description is much more practical and educational.

 
Eg.......3G Cardio.....even though it is purely designed for anaerobic activity ? .
 
 
So as long as you follow a strict program, you will both get results. ( you will both do the same program. As it is designed to change body composition and function which is what you both need / want )

http://www.vibration-training-advice.com/consumer-guide-and-safety-program/lineal-and-pivotal-safety-programs/lineal-program

 
Follow the program to the best of your ability. As you will learn quickly, the difference in the right or wrong pose, is in inches.
 

You could use the machine regularly, and without the right program. It can be a waste of time and money. 

 
VCW Posted On:2017-09-22 04:35:00

I am considering buying a 3G Cardio AVT.  This machine has not been mentioned in any of the posts that I have read so far.  I am a complete novice and need some good advice.  I have poor bone density and my husband has diabetes.  Help, please.

 
Cali Posted On:2017-09-01 15:49:11

Sorry I should have done a better job of reading the other comments. There really is a lot of great information on here. Thank you

 
Jenny Posted On:2017-08-30 15:29:48

Thankyou

 
SH@W Science , Honesty @ Work Posted On:2017-08-29 15:07:43

 If you expect to be a little advanced, then yes the CV9 has a lot more room to do advanced poses on.

 

Whoever gave you that advice about Pivotal's is clearly not educated on this discipline. The unit is very safe.  

 
Jenny Posted On:2017-08-28 13:58:26

Thanks for your advice.  With the CV12 I noticed it does have the handles, which I agree would be good for me.  I am not wobbly and pretty active though.   I thought they would get in the way of doing exercises on the base, would that be correct.  Also a friend of mine in the health industry said not to get a pivotal that has a base that oscillates more than 8mm.  Is this true.

Thanks so much for these clarifications and help.  Very generous re the assistance on these machines re using them as well.  Would really like to get my mid section down.

Cheers

Jenny

 
SH@W Science , Honesty @ Work Posted On:2017-08-26 17:47:45

 Jenny...

 
My advice would be the new CardioTech CV12 . It has the side handlebars you will need.
 
Extremely smooth action and lots of physio / exercise options.
 

When you get the unit, we will communicate constantly and make sure you progress in a safe but effective manner. 

 
Jenny Posted On:2017-08-26 16:46:40

Hi Lloyd

I have read just about everything in this discussion forum, but still need some advice if I could.  My background. I am 63 and a survivor of an accident 4 years ago, which included acute brain trauma and damage to muscle.  No broken anything lucky for me.  Anyway I am now fully recovered, except for ongoing muscle issues, mainly in my legs.   I have tried walking for fitness on a small hilly site, but it caused a very painful seizure of my leg muscles posteriorly, gluts and other muscles in that general area.   Disappointing, but havent given up yet.  I have repaired myself so far and have achieved a lot.  My muscles only play up when I exercise, mainly walking.  My back muscles are weak as well.  Gym is no good for me as it makes me tired still.

Hence the WVB interest.   I am in Australia and there does not appear to be any linear machines, so pivotal it is.  I am weighing up between the recommendations you have made with Gravity HQ and the CardioTeach CV9.   Also I found this machine  WBV3000 from a company in Perth.

http://www.wbv.net.au  Here is the link.

My aim is to get fit again, loose approx 8 or 10kgs that I have put on since my accident and improve my leg muscles by strengthing them.

Any advice you can give me I would be thankful.

 

 
Faye Posted On:2017-08-25 10:24:46

thanks Lloyd, that gives me a great guide line to work on.  to be able to get his circulation moving and stop the leg swelling will be fantastic, let alone if it helps with sleeping.

keep up the good work.

Faye

 
SH@W Science , Honesty @ Work Posted On:2017-08-23 15:37:35

 The different ways the machine can be used in your Sons condition based on what you have said  .....
 

Here are the basic ways this machine should be used for safe results …

Physio / Therapy

(1)  Just sitting in front of the machine in a chair with your feet on the platform, a little apart in a comfortable, natural position.

 Machine on lowest speed, running for 10 minutes, hands holding onto your knees.
Time: 10 minutes twice day.

 This improves circulation throughout the body and is a safe position for everyone.  It can relieve pain in joints, including shoulder/upper body as the hands on knees position transfers vibration gently to the upper body as well as feet on platform transfers to the lower body.  Helps with relaxation and sleep.


(2) Just standing upright on the machine, on its lowest speed. Best use is for balance and circulation. You can stand completely upright or with relaxed knees, slight squat, which feels more comfortable for many people.
MUST - Hold onto a solid chair or rail

This gives some strength training, circulation etc.... but also reinforces the central nervous system that usually facilitates balance.

 

NEVER turn the speed up unless you talk to me first. Always remember....... everything on the adverts selling those units is a lie. The information is random and just so wrong I would not know where to start clearing it up.

 

 
Faye Posted On:2017-08-23 09:38:52

Its a Ti Lite, had it specially made for him, hes 6ft 3 and 100kgs so a large man  44yrs old.

Because hes having more trouble lately with circulation we thought something like this may work for him in the home, hes been wheelchair bound for 24 years.

thanks for the feed back.

 
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